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[Python-Dev] Embedding Python 3.5

[Python-Dev] Embedding Python 3.5Carl Kleffner cmkleffner at gmail.com
Wed Sep 9 17:11:58 CEST 2015
A good overview on this topic is given on
https://github.com/numpy/numpy/wiki/windows-dll-notes. As a side note the
PATH is usually the latest place in the search order of DLLs. Pre-loading
python35.dll into the process space from within vim could be a possible
solution.


2015-09-09 16:30 GMT+02:00 Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com>:

> First of all, an apology. I know this is probably going to be of
> limited interest for many on python-dev, but I'm honestly not sure
> where there's a better audience for the question. As it's related to
> how people should use the new "embeddable" distribution of Python 3.5,
> I'm hoping it's sufficiently relevant - but if not, feel free to
> direct me to a better forum.
>
> I've been trying to use the new embeddable distribution to build a
> Windows installation of vim that includes a Python interpreter, rather
> than relying on the user having a system install of Python on PATH.
> This strikes me as precisely the sort of usage that the embeddable
> distribution would be great for. And indeed, it works fine for that.
> But when it comes to distribution, I have an issue.
>
> The problem is that for vim to find the Python DLL, it needs to be
> alongside vim.exe (there's a small complication here I'll come to
> later, but let's ignore that for now). So I unzip the embeddable
> distribution into the directory containing vim.exe.
>
> However, I want that directory on PATH (so I can run vim from the
> command line). Now, as the embeddable distribution includes
> python.exe, this pollutes my PATH with an extra copy of python, which
> may or may not be picked up in preference to my "real" python,
> depending on how I install python. That's bad - I can delete
> python.exe and pythonw.exe from my vim installation, but I still have
> a load of Python DLLs on PATH that could potentially mess up other
> Python installations on my machine (I honestly don't know how likely
> that is, particularly if I distribute my vim build to other users with
> different setups).
>
> What I'd like to do is to put the Python stuff in a subdirectory of
> the Vim installation, so it's safely isolated. In the case of vim, I
> can do this, as vim has an option to dynamically load the Python DLL
> via LoadLibrary, and I can patch vim to look in <vim dir>\python
> before searching PATH. But the LoadLibrary stuff is horribly fragile,
> and I doubt anyone else embedding Pthon in their application is likely
> to do that - they will probably just link to python35.dll at
> load-time.
>
> I'm not aware of any way to adjust the loader's search path for DLLs
> to include a subdirectory that's not on PATH, so it seems to me that
> there's no good way to avoid having the embeddable distribution
> visible via the user's PATH.
>
> For vim, I'll probably go for the dynamic loading approach with a
> patch to look in a subdirectory. But have I missed any other
> approaches that make an embedded Python more isolated from the user's
> system?
>
> Paul
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