Regardless, I don't think the continued existence of FAT filesystems can be perceived as a threat to module names, so I've removed the offending paragraph from the PEP. Note that it still recommends short, all-lowercase module and package names -- it just doesn't use computers to motivate it. On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 7:02 PM, David Mertz <mertz at gnosis.cx> wrote: > Even thumb drives use VFAT. Yes it's an ugly hack, but the names aren't > limited to 8.3. > On Oct 20, 2015 6:59 PM, "Ben Finney" <ben+python at benfinney.id.au> wrote: > >> "Gregory P. Smith" <greg at krypto.org> writes: >> >> > There haven't been computers with less than 80 character file or path >> > name element length limits in wide use in decades... ;) >> >> Not true, your computer will happily mount severely-limited filesystems. >> Indeed, I'd wager it has done so many times this year. >> >> It is *filesystems* that limit the length of filesystem entries, and the >> FAT filesystem is still in very widespread use — on devices mounted by >> the computers you use today. >> >> Yes, we have much better filesystems today, and your primary desktop >> computer will almost certainly use something better than FAT for its >> primary storage's filesystem. >> >> That does not mean Python programmers should assume your computer will >> never mount a FAT filesystem (think small flash storage), nor that a >> program you run will never need to load Python modules from that >> filesystem. >> >> >> You'd like FAT to go away forever? Great, me too. Now we need to >> convince all the vendors of every small storage device – USB thumb >> drives, network routers, all manner of single-purpose devices – to use >> modern filesystems instead. >> >> Then, maybe after another human generation has come and gone, we can >> finally expect every filesystem, in every active device that might run >> any Python code, to be using something with a reasonably-large limit for >> filesystem entries. >> >> Until then, the advice in PEP 8 to keep module names short is reasonable. >> >> -- >> \ “The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in | >> `\ the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.” | >> _o__) —Henry L. Mencken | >> Ben Finney >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-Dev mailing list >> Python-Dev at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev >> Unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/mertz%40gnosis.cx >> > > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/guido%40python.org > > -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/attachments/20151020/1a206506/attachment.html>
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