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Wed Jun 20 11:22:07 CEST 2012 · https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2012-June/120471.html

On 6/20/12 11:12 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:05:43 +0200
> Dirkjan Ochtman<dirkjan at ochtman.nl>  wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé<tarek at ziade.org>  wrote:
>>> So I prefer to hold it and have a solid implementation in the stldib. The
>>> only thing I am asking is to retain ourselves to do *anything* in distutils
>>> and continue to declare it frozen, because I know it will be tempting to do
>>> stuff there...
>> That policy has been a bit annoying. Gentoo has been carrying patches
>> forever to improve compilation with C++ stuff (mostly about correctly
>> passing on environment variables), and forward-porting them on every
>> release gets tedious, but the packaging/distutils2 effort has made it
>> harder to get them included in plain distutils. I understand there
>> shouldn't be crazy patching in distutils, but allowing it to inch
>> forward a little would make the lives of the Gentoo Python team
>> easier, at least.
> I think the whole idea that distutils should be frozen and improvements
> should only go in distutils2 has been misled. Had distutils been
> improved instead, many of those enhancements would already have been
> available in 3.2 (and others would soon be released in 3.3).
I tried to improve Distutils and I was stopped and told to start 
distutils2, because
distutils is so rotten, any *real* change/improvment potentially brakes 
the outside world.

This has not changed.
>
> Deciding to remove packaging from 3.3 is another instance of the same
> mistake, IMO.
So what are your suggesting, since you seem to know what's a mistake and 
what's not ?

(time-travel machine not allowed)


> Regards
>
> Antoine.
>
>
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