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[Python-Dev] PEP 362: 4th edition

[Python-Dev] PEP 362: 4th editionAntoine Pitrou solipsis at pitrou.net
Fri Jun 15 23:30:01 CEST 2012
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:26:25 -0400
Yury Selivanov <yselivanov.ml at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-06-15, at 5:13 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:07:46 -0400
> > Yury Selivanov <yselivanov.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 2012-06-15, at 4:48 PM, Victor Stinner wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >>> Would it be possible to only create a signature for builtin the first
> >>> time that you read its __signature__ attribute? I don't know how to
> >>> implement such behaviour on a builtin function. I don't know if it's
> >>> important to decide this right now.
> >>> 
> >>> I don't want to create a signature at startup if it is not used,
> >>> because it would waste memory (as docstrings? :-)).
> >> 
> >> I think when we have the working mechanism to generate them in place, 
> >> we can make it lazy.
> > 
> > I'm not sure I understand. The PEP already says signatures are computed
> > lazily. Is there an exception for built-in functions?
> 
> Right now, if there is no '__signature__' attribute set on a builtin
> function - there is no way of generating it (PyCFunctionObject doesn't
> have __code__), so a ValueError will be raised.

Ok, but what does this mean for 3.3? Does the PEP propose that all
builtins get a non-lazy __signature__, or simply that ValueError always
be raised?

Regards

Antoine.
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