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Mon Nov 6 17:56:02 CET 2006 · https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-November/069938.html

Talin wrote:

>>/ I don't know how you define simple. In order to be able to have
/>>/ separate GILs  you have to remove *all* sharing of objects between
/>>/ interpreters. And all other data structures, too. It would probably
/>>/ kill performance too, because currently obmalloc relies on the GIL.
/
> Nitpick: You have to remove all sharing of *mutable* objects. One day, 
> when we get "pure" GC with no refcounting, that will be a meaningful 
> distinction. :)

Is it mad?:

It could be a distinction now: immutables/singletons refcount could be held ~fix around MAXINT easily (by a loose periodic GC scheme, or by Py_INC/DEFREF to be like { if ob.refcount!=MAXINT ... )

dicty things like Exception.x=5 could either be disabled or Exception.refcount=MAXINT/.__dict__=lockingdict ... or exceptions could be doubled as they don't have to cross the bridge (weren't they in an ordinary python module once ?).

obmalloc.c/LOCK() could be something fast like:

_retry:
  __asm   LOCK INC malloc_lock
  if (malloc_lock!=1) { LOCK DEC malloc_lock; /*yield();*/ goto _retry; }

To know the final speed costs ( http://groups.google.de/group/comp.lang.python/msg/01cef42159fd1712 ) would require an experiment.
Cheap signal processors (<1%) don't need to be supported for free threading interpreters.

Builtin/Extension modules global __dict__ to become a lockingdict. 

Yet a speedy LOCK INC lock method may possibly lead to general free threading threads (for most CPUs) at all. Almost all Python objects have static/uncritical attributes/require only few locks.
A full blown LOCK INC lock method on dict & list accesses, (avoidable for fastlocals?) & defaulty Py_INC/DECREF (as far as there is still refcounting in Py3K).
Py_FASTINCREF could be fast for known immutables (mainly Py_None) with MAXINT method, and for fresh creations etc.

PyThreadState_GET(): A ts(PyThread_get_thread_ident())/*TlsGetValue() would become necessary. Is there a fast thread_ID register in todays CPU's?*

Robert

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