Gregor Lingl wrote: > So, if you can't accept that offer - now, or even ever - , because it > contradicts your rules, that's o.k. But it's not 'my cause'. I > concieve it to be the community's cause. All "we" said is that we cannot integrate it now, as a policy matter. Nobody said it can't be integrated for 2.6; I am in favour of doing that. However, I do think that a number of changes need to be made still; I'll post my first review on the SF tracker item when SF comes back. > I, for my part, can and will use xturtle.py, knowing and having the > experience, that it is far superior to turtle.py. So I have no > problem. And I'll offer it for download from the xturtle-webpage or > from wherever you suggest. So it will be freely available. (Perhaps a > sourceforge project would be appropriate. Give me your advice, > please) You should add it into the Cheeshop: python.org/pypi Notice that the Cheeseshop already knows about turtle2.py by Mark Summerfield. > The only point is, that it leaves Python's turtle.py an (imho) > unsatisfactory solution. Looking at the feature list on #1513695, I think none of the new feature really make turtle.py look "unsatisfactory": - better animation of turtle movements: yes, this is a good thing to have, but not absolutely necessary. The current turtle already displays the orientation after it has turned. - different turtle shapes. It's probably fun to play with these, but (IMO) a distraction from the module's primary purpose (although fun certainly also is a purpose of the module). OTOH, perhaps the original Logo turtle icon should be the default? - fine control over turtle movement (in particular speed) Why are these needed? - Aliases for the most common functions. I guess it's useful, but if it was unsatisfactory not to have them, somebody would have contributed a patch for turtle.py already. - scrollable canvas. I had a hard time to figure out what method to use to resize the canvas (and am still uncertain whether rescaling is supported or not) - background color and image. Again, this looks like a distraction to me, but I see that Logo tutorials use this (along with turtle shapes like "C64 sprites"), so I guess there is a point to them, also. The only respect in which I would consider turtle.py unsatisfactory is the true bugs. At the moment, I can only see one open turtle.py bug reported, namely #1047540 (where the submitter later says it might be an IDLE bug). Regards, Martin
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