Anthony Baxter wrote: > Not without a lot of the other stuff that's in setuptools. > >> That is says from itself that it is version 0.7a1dev-r45536 >> doesn't help to reduce that fear. > > It's had _two_ _years_ of quite active development, so the version > number of 0.7 is hardly a good indication. As far as all the other > stuff on the end of the version string - well, right now Python's SVN > trunk really could be considered 2.5a2dev-r45575. Right - I'm not concerned about the "a1dev-r45536" part. The 0.7 part bothers me; this is two years of development from a single person, still. I have projects that are much older than that that I wouldn't suggest for inclusion in Python :-) >> Requiring Phillip to rewrite distutils instead is certainly >> unfair - but I'm still unhappy with the path events take. > > He's written code on _top_ _of_ _distutils_. How is this bad? It makes distutils an implementation detail of setuptools. What little development distutils has seen will stop; all fixes will go into setuptools directly. Users will be told that they should switch to setuptools. Please face it: setuptools *is* the death of distutils. This might not be that bad in the long run, but it does have the risk of repeating, when setuptools eventually is where distutils is today: complete, and unmaintained. > See, I don't get the hostility thing. While I have some concerns about > the state of distutils today, I still admire Greg Ward's efforts in > producing the code, and Python is in a much better place than had he > not done the work. Responding to an effort like Greg's, or Phillip's, > with hostility is a fantastic way to discourage people from working > further on Python or on the code in question. Well, I appreciate other contributions from other people, and I have always encouraged people to contribute to Python. It's just that I dislike this *specific* package, for several reasons, some of which I consider objective. Regards, Martin
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