On Apr 4, 2004, at 9:07 PM, Jewett, Jim J wrote:
> Skip> x = 42
>
> Skip> def x(self) [propget]:
> Skip> "Doc string for x"
> Skip> return self.__x
>
> Guido> It's broken. I expect this to raise an exception at some
> point.
> Guido> Beyond that, who cares?
>
> Jim> If so, then this decorator is a bad idea.
>
> Jim> I would expect 42 to be the initial value of the property x.
>
> Skip> Then it makes sense to put "x = 42" after the three property
> Skip> definitions (before the end of the class definition).
> Skip> Would that work?
>
> Not really. The documentation says
>
> "Properties are a neat way to implement attributes whose usage
> resembles attribute access, but whose implementation uses method
> calls."
>
> This suggests that creating a property creates a manager. In this
> case,
> the manager is created for an attribute that already exists. If it
> uses
> the previous value as the initial current value, that is what I expect.
> If it raises an exception ("I can't manage that! Someone beat me to
> it!"),
> I'll be annoyed, but live with the limitation. If it silently throws
> the
> value away, or raises an exception at run time -- that is bad.
>
> Yes, this is a variation on the "Properties do not work for classic
> classes, but you don't get a clear error when you try this." wart.
> But the code this decorator replaces::
>
> x = property(getx, setx)
>
> does explicitly replace x, so I think *this* confusion may be specific
> to the decorator.
... have you ever used descriptors before?
Property descriptors are only functionally applicable to *instances* of
the class where the descriptor lives. FooClass.x = 42 will replace the
descriptor. It's possible to make a descriptor do something special
when you fetch it from its class, but in this case FooClass doesn't
even really exist when you are replacing the descriptor with something
else!
-bob
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