[Bunch of arguments combined - and then snipped :-)] For people who want to do integer arithmetic using Booleans, would calling the int() built-in be too much of a burden? Samuele's example would be written as: def count_visible(win_list): c = 0 for win in win_list: c+= int(win.visible) return c That actually seems clearer to me and it fits with Pythons strongly typed nature. Of course there is still the issue of staging any change like this into the language. Cheers, Brian
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