Fred L. Drake, Jr.wrote: > Gordon McMillan writes: > > I'd also like to point out that archives *can* be used in a > > development situation. Obviously I wouldn't bother putting a > > module under current development into an archive. But if the > > source is still installed and you haven't mucked with the > > __file__ attribute when you put it in the archive, then > > tracebacks will show you what you need. IDLE doesn't know > the > difference. So for most developers, the standard library > can > be served from an archive with no effect (other than speed). > > I don't see why we can't just add the source to the archive as > well; > this would allow proper tracebacks even outside the development > of the library. Not including sources would cleanly result in > the same situation as we currently see when there's only a .pyc > file. > Am I missing something fundamental? Sure you could. Then you could patch IDLE, Pythonwin, etc. to open the proper archive and extract the source. Then you could patch them (and archive) to update on the fly. And while you're at it, I'd really like a jacuzzi jet that gets my neck and shoulders without having to scrunch into all kinds of strange positions. - Gordon Return-Path: <owner-python-dev@python.org> Delivered-To: python-dev@dinsdale.python.org Received: from python.org (parrot.python.org [132.151.1.90]) by dinsdale.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76701CD65 for <python-dev@dinsdale.python.org>; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from merlin.codesourcery.com (IDENT:qmailr@[206.168.99.1]) by python.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA17463 for <python-dev@python.org>; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2115 invoked by uid 513); 14 Jan 2000 17:44:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact publicity-help@software-carpentry.com; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list publicity@software-carpentry.com Received: (qmail 2110 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2000 17:44:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:40:13 -0500 (EST) From: gvwilson@nevex.com To: publicity@software-carpentry.com Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10001141228191.8785-100001@akbar.nevex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="168427786-1646135556-947871613=:8785" Subject: [Python-Dev] ANNOUNCEMENT: Open Source Design Competition Sender: python-dev-admin@python.org Errors-To: python-dev-admin@python.org X-BeenThere: python-dev@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Python core developers <python-dev.python.org> This message is in MIME format. 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