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List of German exonyms in the Greater Poland Voivodeship (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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not notable Chidgk1 (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Elwira Lorenz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unable to find Significant Coverage in Independent, Reliable, and Non-Database Sources. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:34, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Olympics, and Poland. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:34, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you check any Polish newspaper archives? The Małgorzata Rosiak AFD already confirms that there is coverage not available on the internet for top Polish sportspeople. Meanwhile, here, the Polish Wikipedia article describes her as holding the national championship in the "coxless pair, double sculls, coxless quadruple sculls, coxed quadruple sculls and double quadruple sculls" every year from 1979 to 1990. That is an insane number of national championships and indicates it is virtually certain coverage exists. We just need to look... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The Polish WP article doesn't have SIGCOV sources. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 17:21, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Piotr Badura (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I found no significant coverage, and the current two references barely mention him. Fails WP:ATHLETE. SL93 (talk) 20:49, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Małgorzata Rosiak (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NSPORTS. The only sources provided here are sports-reference.com and turozmawiamy ("We are talking here"), a site operated by the government of Silesia which published an interview with Rosiak, which is to say it is not a reliable or independent source (see the archived version here). Nothing further found in my WP:BEFORE search other than coverage of her snowboard-making company in which she is mentioned in passing. The PL Wiki articles contains no sourcing that would address this. FOARP (talk) 13:31, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, and Poland. FOARP (talk) 13:31, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Per Polish wiki, she was junior vice-world champion and a 20-time national championship medalist (mostly gold). I have zero doubt a newspaper search would bring up SIGCOV. If only we looked... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:31, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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It is quite clear per the nom that they in fact looked for sources. Please give WP:GOODFAITH. Let'srun (talk) 17:08, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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It is not clear that newspaper archives were searched. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:11, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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"I have zero doubt a newspaper search would bring up SIGCOV. If only we looked"
- Beannie, Poland is on the internet, it has many internet outlets. It had internet news sites in 1998. If a Google search turns up nothing, then there's probably nothing online.
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And yes, insisting that finding nothing means no search was done is a complete failure of WP:AGF. Again. FOARP (talk) 19:32, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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It may have had a few sites in 1998, but much of what was published then was (i) not put online and (ii) has since become deadlinks. Someone showed a stat that was something like a third of webpages from 15 years ago are now dead. Now make that 30 years here. Not everything is accessible through a Google search. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:45, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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So a great time to find these sources tends to be before writing an article about the subject. In contrast simply insisting that the sources must exist is not a strategy that has been regularly working out for anyone lately. FOARP (talk) 20:15, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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You know it was acceptable to write articles like this at the time it was published. Do you really think that a runner-up at the junior world championships and 16-time senior national champion would not have been covered at all in Poland? I looked into all four of the Americans who competed in her event in 1998 (several of whom did worse than her) – all of them have abundant SIGCOV in archives (many of those archived stories are not available through Google). Why would Rosiak be different? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:22, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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"Do you really think that a runner-up at the junior world championships and 16-time senior national champion"
- in snowboarding, in 1998? The chances seem pretty good actually. FOARP (talk) 20:25, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Then how come the top Americans in the event all have extensive coverage in archives? And how do the recent Polish Olympians in that sport have SIGCOV as well? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:26, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Because America is America and Poland is Poland. They won't necessarily cover every topic the same, particularly when we're talking about a sport like snowboarding, which was way more niche and unestablished back then. There were still slopes that were closed to snowboarders in 1998. Joelle Jay has posted a nice review below that covers the local paper coverage well, and there's no SIGCOV in any of it. FOARP (talk) 20:34, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Except Poland covers it in-depth today, and Olympic snowboarding received a good deal of coverage back in 1998 similar to the extent it receives today... BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:37, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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So you should find it easy to find SIGCOV in this case then. Feel free to ping me when you do. FOARP (talk) 20:44, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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No, because I am not able to do adequate searches in Polish newspaper archives. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:53, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Ah, so now we need access to all possible Polish newspapers, a dozen or so spanning her career in her home voivodeship isn't enough... JoelleJay (talk) 01:37, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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What's 1998 have to do with anything? I would expect there to be better newspaper coverage for someone from 1998 than 2025 (where sports journalism is dead, and even Sports Illustrated has been disputed as not being reliable anymore...) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:32, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Snowboarding is still a new sport, back in 1998 it was niche, considered a bit hooliganish, a lot of slopes were closed to boarders back in the 90's. It definitely matters that we're talking about the 90's. FOARP (talk) 20:36, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I think I was the one who mentioned the dead link percentage to you. "Link Rot: 38% Of Webpages From 2013 Have Vanished" I worry that searching for SIGCOV in the future will be a problem in this online-only era. The Wayback Machine doesn't archive everything and you still have to know what specific URL you're looking for. It would be nice if there was a Google search for archived websites. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:45, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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AGF is a two-way street. I mentioned this article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moujhed Fahid Khalifa at 13:21 and then it was AfDed at 13:31? That's not even accounting for the time it might have taken for FOARP to see my comment. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:35, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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You posted at 12:48, not 13:21. Just how long do you think it takes to go through the first ten pages of GHits, GBooks, and GNews per WP:BEFORE D1 when none of them say much at all about the subject and/or are obvious mirrors of this site? Do you really think people need to spend longer than ~20 minutes when there are no sources? FOARP (talk) 20:39, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fair enough. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:38, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Well I did a search of her local catchment SBC and got lots of routine mentions, but nothing SIGCOV in all of the first 20 hits and all hits from 1998.
Passing mention in a quote by another competitor and in stats lines: [1]. Simple passing mentions: [2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31]. Passing mentions and a quote: [32][33][34].Brief, somewhat more detailed interview-based coverage as a minor (YOUNGATH): [35]Very brief award announcement: [36]Statement issued by Rosiak: [37].
If even her local newspapers aren't covering the subject in detail, why would we expect further coverage to exist elsewhere? JoelleJay (talk) 18:26, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Request a relist if I don't get to it within the next few days. I'm confident I'll be able to rescue this with an extra week. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Joelle's numerous Diffs plus the fact that Poland had internet news by this time show that if Google couldn't find something, then it's likely not deserving to be here. Would not, however, be opposed to Beanie userfying this as a User Draft though if the belief is genuine. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:09, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I've contacted some people and received confirmation that there is SIGCOV, I'm requesting the relist since I'm trying to get the exact text of the articles, which could take a little over a week. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Considering that there are a grand total of two sentences (and of the sources I can view, only databases cited currently in this article, there isn't exactly much to preserve here. The article can always be recreated if BeanieFan or another interested editor can find significant coverage. Let'srun (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Why can't I have a one-week relist given that I know SIGCOV exists? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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If there is a consensus to delete (or keep for that matter), one editor asking for a relist simply drags out volunteer resources much more than is necessary. Of course, if there isn't a consensus yet in the discussion, of course a relist is appropriate. We need to have evidence of WP;SIGCOV, not be told "trust me bro". Let'srun (talk) 18:51, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Drags out resources? If an article can be saved with a one-week relist, then that is appropriate rather than deleting the article. Others have confirmed for me that SIGCOV exists: why shouldn't I be given one week to get the exact text? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:55, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Beanie, who has confirmed that the SIGCOV exists? Can you provide evidence? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I was able to contact the subject herself. She said she had plenty of SIGCOV and would send me pictures of them in about a week. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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If the subject themself sends it, is it truly significant, independent coverage in reliable sources? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:55, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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If its in independent newspapers like she said, then yes. Who sends the pictures is irrelevant. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:59, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Why not consider moving the article to draftspace instead of just waiting here? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 20:03, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I mean, that would probably be fine, but what's wrong with waiting a week? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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So it would be great, considering the discussion we're having in another AFD where Beanie asserted that a source reported on something that it did not actually cover and (no doubt unintentionally) omitted to mention that it was an official (i.e., non-independent) source, if we could have sight of this sourcing to confirm that it is not an interview or similar source that does not support notability. FOARP (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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And I just said I won't be able to see it for a week, which is why I'm saying we should allow the discussion to run a week. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:42, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Church of the Ascension of Christ in Warsaw (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No evidence of notability, either in this article or the original in Polish. JohnMizuki (talk) 19:23, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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International Coordination of Revolutionary Parties and Organizations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Since this article was created in 2011, it has been based almost entirely on citations to sources either from the ICOR itself or from its affiliate members. Attempts to find coverage in reliable secondary source turned up very little. Neither of the cited secondary sources in this article provide significant coverage, only giving the ICOR a passing reference in the wider context of another subject. A cursory Google Scholar search brought up a few self-published Marxist word documents, and one book about German political parties that only mentions the ICOR in passing.
As I have been unable to find significant coverage of this international organisation in reliable sources, and as notability is not inherited from any of its affiliated organisations, I do not think this meets the notability criteria for organisations and am nominating it for deletion. Grnrchst (talk) 09:26, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics, Cameroon, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Egypt, Ivory Coast, Kenya, Morocco, South Africa, Tunisia, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, China, Indonesia, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Iran, India, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, Australia, Brazil, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, and United States of America. Grnrchst (talk) 09:26, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I believe there may be a language / coverage issue, as this is English Wikipedia, and there are two or three English-speaking organizations within ICOR. I will look into it this week. Castroonthemoon (talk) 21:43, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Most online sources I found were either non-independent or were not in-depth. The one book cited in the article was written by Stefan Engel, former chairman of the MLPD, a member organization of ICOR. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 08:19, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. The sources cited by Castroonthemoon are not in-depth (and the last one doesn't seem reliable), and I don't see why we should make an exception here; they have brought up the possibility of a merge with the MLPD, but firstly I don't think they're really related that much, and secondly half of the ICOR article is based on primary sources and the other half is based on passing mentions, so it would be WP:UNDUE. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 08:47, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not looking good for significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 02:20, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I have looked into international reports on the organization. There's a surprising amount of information surrounding the group's involvement in Syria, and the hospital that the group built. Castroonthemoon (talk) 05:29, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm leaning towards Keep Castroonthemoon (talk) 05:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Unless Castroonthemoon can cite specific sources with significant coverage, I'm leaning delete. The only mention in Swiss media is [38]. Toadspike [Talk] 08:55, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Of the sources used in the article, I believe [39][40][41][42][43] satisfy requirements. Castroonthemoon (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The first one is a single-sentence passing mention: "Finally, anarchist volunteers organized another unit at the end of March 2017, the International Revolutionary People's Guerrilla Forces (IRPGF), declared as an "informal anarchist armed organization" whose purpose of armed struggle was placed beyond Kurdish issues, in a global perspective." (via Google Translate). The second link is exactly the same page as the first. The third is another single-sentence passing mention ("Hinter dem Projekt steht das linke Bündnis "Internationale Koordinierung revolutionärer Parteien und Organisationen" (ICOR), das um die marxistisch-leninistische Partei Deutschlands (MLPD) gebildet wurde.") The fourth consists entirely of quotes from someone who has been "supported" by ICOR, which is not independent coverage. The fifth isn't independent either – it has no byline and is basically a call for donations by the head of ICOR, ending with their bank info.
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None of these sources satisfy the requirements of the GNG or NCORP. Toadspike [Talk] 05:06, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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In this case, I believe that the fact that they receive coverage satisfies notability requirements. It's a niche, political topic that isn't going to receive much coverage, especially by Western press, thus I believe that WP:IAR applies in this scenario. I don't think we will find a point of agreement on this, but I think that merging this article into the Marxist–Leninist Party of Germany article is worth considering, per my POC below. Castroonthemoon (talk) 07:42, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Point of Consideration. I believe the article should be kept, but to those in-favor of deletion, I think there's a solid case to be made that the page should be merged with the Marxist–Leninist Party of Germany article, given that they seem to be the driving force behind most of the organizations actions and statements, as well as the fact that Stefan Engel (or his wife), the former chairman of MLPD, comes up almost everywhere ICOR does Castroonthemoon (talk) 17:43, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I oppose a merge, since these two organizations seem to be unrelated aside from Engel. Toadspike [Talk] 08:02, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The organization is fundamentally led by the MLPD, in the same way that the Comintern was led by the CPSU Castroonthemoon (talk) 18:54, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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