hi, On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com> wrote: > "The majority" yes. The accessors proposal also had "the majority" in > favor, > but that did not suffice. As of now this RFC does *not* have a 2/3 majority > for the delay. And, as I already pointed out, I really think that this RFC > should go by a 2/3 vote, as it is both a very large change AND a release > delay. I fully agree here. Bundling a default opcode cache (enabled by default or not) is not a small decision and drastically affect the future of PHP. The way it was handled was by far not ideal (last was to edit the RFC during the voting phase without restarting the votes) and I have some doubts about the openness of its future development. > But regardless of that, could somebody maybe point out where the "it may > require a 1-2 month delay" estimation in the RFC comes from? An estimation, which is already not valid anymore. We are off the two months. That's also why the beta1 planed today has been replaced with an alpha instead. > Somewhere > Rasmus said that the integration will not be tight and just a "30 minute > cleanup". I guess that was a bit exaggerated and may take a bit longer, what takes longer is to stabilize it, there is no integration work being done right now, as far as I can tell. Latest issues spotted in our tests are visible in the report #63472. > but > in the same order of magnitude (like 3 hours instead of 30 minutes). By that > estimate the vote ends today and we can have ZO+ bundled in one or two days. > To let the change sink a bit, fix a few bugs that turn up and figure out > some questions like naming and default configuration one may need another > week, or maybe two. Then we should already be able to go for a beta release. > Everything else can be ironed out later (it's just a beta after all and > after that we have a good bit of time to fix issues that turn up). Or did I > miss something? Not really, betas are for testing and fixing. I did not follow the why and how we did a release today but having a beta1 now without o+ would mean that o+ would be 5.5 altogether, not that I would mind it, only a statement. That being said, if o+ would have 2/3 of the votes, I think it is possible to get it stable until 5.5 final, not easy but possible. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye
Thread (112 messages)
- Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:12:42 +0000
- Alberto VianaWed, 27 Feb 2013 16:24:00 +0000
- Ferenc KovacsWed, 27 Feb 2013 21:01:29 +0000
- Rasmus LerdorfWed, 27 Feb 2013 21:19:44 +0000
- Nikita PopovWed, 27 Feb 2013 21:30:01 +0000
- Ferenc KovacsWed, 27 Feb 2013 21:41:25 +0000
- Pierre JoyeWed, 27 Feb 2013 22:16:31 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 28 Feb 2013 10:21:22 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Frank SchenkThu, 28 Feb 2013 10:47:21 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Lester CaineThu, 28 Feb 2013 10:54:01 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Pierre JoyeThu, 28 Feb 2013 11:56:53 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Ilia AlshanetskyThu, 28 Feb 2013 13:54:26 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Anthony FerraraThu, 28 Feb 2013 14:01:30 +0000
- Pierre JoyeThu, 28 Feb 2013 14:59:00 +0000
- Martin NichollsThu, 28 Feb 2013 22:00:27 +0000
- Bob WeinandWed, 27 Feb 2013 22:20:30 +0000
- Pierre JoyeThu, 28 Feb 2013 06:53:46 +0000
- Kalle Sommer NielsenThu, 28 Feb 2013 08:05:10 +0000
- LaruenceSun, 03 Mar 2013 05:40:49 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiSun, 03 Mar 2013 07:02:30 +0000
- Pierre JoyeSun, 03 Mar 2013 07:07:24 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiSun, 03 Mar 2013 07:21:19 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Pierre JoyeSun, 03 Mar 2013 07:25:44 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Rasmus LerdorfSun, 03 Mar 2013 07:41:12 +0000
- Pierre JoyeSun, 03 Mar 2013 08:43:03 +0000
- Rasmus LerdorfSun, 03 Mar 2013 09:23:45 +0000
- Nikita PopovThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:01:51 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:06:50 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Pierre JoyeThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:26:01 +0000
- Rasmus LerdorfThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:31:57 +0000
- Pierre JoyeThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:39:22 +0000
- Anthony FerraraThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:44:23 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:52:20 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Anthony FerraraThu, 07 Mar 2013 17:01:45 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Rasmus LerdorfThu, 07 Mar 2013 17:17:48 +0000
- David Soria ParraThu, 07 Mar 2013 21:00:29 +0000
- Philip OlsonThu, 07 Mar 2013 21:33:49 +0000
- David Soria ParraThu, 07 Mar 2013 21:52:03 +0000
- Anthony FerraraThu, 07 Mar 2013 21:58:13 +0000
- Arpad RayThu, 07 Mar 2013 22:07:56 +0000
- Philip OlsonThu, 07 Mar 2013 22:13:56 +0000
- Andi GutmansFri, 08 Mar 2013 05:55:26 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 07 Mar 2013 21:51:23 +0000
- Pierre JoyeFri, 08 Mar 2013 08:22:34 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 07 Mar 2013 17:18:38 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Pierre JoyeThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:46:14 +0000
- Pierre JoyeThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:55:15 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiSun, 03 Mar 2013 09:32:48 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Nikita PopovThu, 28 Feb 2013 17:33:44 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 28 Feb 2013 17:35:12 +0000
- Pierre JoyeThu, 28 Feb 2013 17:40:12 +0000
- Nikita PopovThu, 28 Feb 2013 18:37:23 +0000
- Anthony FerraraThu, 28 Feb 2013 19:34:37 +0000
- Derick RethansThu, 28 Feb 2013 20:04:29 +0000
- Stas MalyshevThu, 28 Feb 2013 20:06:17 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 28 Feb 2013 20:16:10 +0000
- Rasmus LerdorfThu, 28 Feb 2013 20:27:57 +0000
- Sebastian BergmannFri, 01 Mar 2013 11:10:09 +0000
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