Ilia, On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Ilia Alshanetsky <ilia@prohost.org> wrote: > Zeev has an excellent point here, my own research shows that 5.4, a > year after release had somewhere in the 2% adoption rate. The major > reason being is the lack of a stable, production ready op-code cache. > To release 5.5 without a good solution for that problem, would not > make the situation better, if anything it would make it very > intimidating to users to jump 2-3 versions directly to 5.6. Thus > leaving us with a massive user base running legacy, unsupported > versions containing unresolved bugs and vulnerabilities. Something, > which I don't think would be a very good thing for the future of PHP. > To be fair, the 5.5 situation without pulling in ZO+ is NOT the same as 5.4 was. Today, right now, there exists at least one stable open source opcode cache. 5.4 had none for many months after release. So I'm not sure if the same pressures exist. The discussion now is if we delay 5.5 to spend the time pulling it in core. But either way (in core or not), ZO+ is open and working on 5.5 alpha. So we could skip the core import, and just ship it today as gold, and it would be adoptable straight away (unlike how 5.4 was). > Ultimately, I think it is better to wait a month or two (if that is > what it takes) and have a solid release people can safely upgrade > their production environments to, rather than strictly adhere to a set > release cycle and delivery a partial solution. That's the thing though, it wouldn't be a partial solution. It would be exactly where 5.2, 5.3 and 5.4 are today, with the addition of several highly wanted features. I'd rather delay 5.6, and do a deeper integration into the engine. Then at least there's something to gain by pulling it into core, rather than just having it be a compile-time-flag as opposed to a pecl installation (which doesn't buy us *that* much)... My standpoint at least... Anthony
Thread (112 messages)
- Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:12:42 +0000
- Alberto VianaWed, 27 Feb 2013 16:24:00 +0000
- Ferenc KovacsWed, 27 Feb 2013 21:01:29 +0000
- Rasmus LerdorfWed, 27 Feb 2013 21:19:44 +0000
- Nikita PopovWed, 27 Feb 2013 21:30:01 +0000
- Ferenc KovacsWed, 27 Feb 2013 21:41:25 +0000
- Pierre JoyeWed, 27 Feb 2013 22:16:31 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 28 Feb 2013 10:21:22 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Frank SchenkThu, 28 Feb 2013 10:47:21 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Lester CaineThu, 28 Feb 2013 10:54:01 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Pierre JoyeThu, 28 Feb 2013 11:56:53 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Ilia AlshanetskyThu, 28 Feb 2013 13:54:26 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Anthony FerraraThu, 28 Feb 2013 14:01:30 +0000
- Pierre JoyeThu, 28 Feb 2013 14:59:00 +0000
- Martin NichollsThu, 28 Feb 2013 22:00:27 +0000
- Bob WeinandWed, 27 Feb 2013 22:20:30 +0000
- Pierre JoyeThu, 28 Feb 2013 06:53:46 +0000
- Kalle Sommer NielsenThu, 28 Feb 2013 08:05:10 +0000
- LaruenceSun, 03 Mar 2013 05:40:49 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiSun, 03 Mar 2013 07:02:30 +0000
- Pierre JoyeSun, 03 Mar 2013 07:07:24 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiSun, 03 Mar 2013 07:21:19 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Pierre JoyeSun, 03 Mar 2013 07:25:44 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Rasmus LerdorfSun, 03 Mar 2013 07:41:12 +0000
- Pierre JoyeSun, 03 Mar 2013 08:43:03 +0000
- Rasmus LerdorfSun, 03 Mar 2013 09:23:45 +0000
- Nikita PopovThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:01:51 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:06:50 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Pierre JoyeThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:26:01 +0000
- Rasmus LerdorfThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:31:57 +0000
- Pierre JoyeThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:39:22 +0000
- Anthony FerraraThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:44:23 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:52:20 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Anthony FerraraThu, 07 Mar 2013 17:01:45 +0000Re: [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Rasmus LerdorfThu, 07 Mar 2013 17:17:48 +0000
- David Soria ParraThu, 07 Mar 2013 21:00:29 +0000
- Philip OlsonThu, 07 Mar 2013 21:33:49 +0000
- David Soria ParraThu, 07 Mar 2013 21:52:03 +0000
- Anthony FerraraThu, 07 Mar 2013 21:58:13 +0000
- Arpad RayThu, 07 Mar 2013 22:07:56 +0000
- Philip OlsonThu, 07 Mar 2013 22:13:56 +0000
- Andi GutmansFri, 08 Mar 2013 05:55:26 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 07 Mar 2013 21:51:23 +0000
- Pierre JoyeFri, 08 Mar 2013 08:22:34 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 07 Mar 2013 17:18:38 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Pierre JoyeThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:46:14 +0000
- Pierre JoyeThu, 07 Mar 2013 16:55:15 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiSun, 03 Mar 2013 09:32:48 +0000RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
- Nikita PopovThu, 28 Feb 2013 17:33:44 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 28 Feb 2013 17:35:12 +0000
- Pierre JoyeThu, 28 Feb 2013 17:40:12 +0000
- Nikita PopovThu, 28 Feb 2013 18:37:23 +0000
- Anthony FerraraThu, 28 Feb 2013 19:34:37 +0000
- Derick RethansThu, 28 Feb 2013 20:04:29 +0000
- Stas MalyshevThu, 28 Feb 2013 20:06:17 +0000
- Zeev SuraskiThu, 28 Feb 2013 20:16:10 +0000
- Rasmus LerdorfThu, 28 Feb 2013 20:27:57 +0000
- Sebastian BergmannFri, 01 Mar 2013 11:10:09 +0000
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