Bob Ippolito:
> Also, don't the newer compilers complain when you declare variables in
> the middle of code? Wouldn't you have to put a "NSRect bounds;" at
> the top of the block? Obviously you could just do [NSBezierPath
> fillRect:[self rectOfRow: row]] .. which is probably how I'd have done
> it in the first place.
All valid points, but still, I didn't mean to bash Objective-C at all.
My comparison was about my basically 7 pyLOC against something like
20-30 objcLOC (depending on how you count, braces, etc.) of Evan Jones'
code (including other methods which are perhaps not strictly needed).
I *do* like Obj-C a lot, but Python is less to read and type, and also
faster to test and get running...
> Along the same lines, ObjC doesn't have a short way to say anything
> (no operators). Probably my favorite feature of Python are strings,
> lists and dicts, with all the great __setitem__/__getitem__ stuff to
> go with it. In ObjC, a+b never means anything useful, unless a and b
> are primitive C types.. that's obnoxious, because you'd have to say
> a.add_(b) or something like that... Imagine writing an equation like
> that. Sure, in ObjC you can use int, long, float, double.. but what
> about equivalents to Python's long or complex? What about doing
> arrays/matrices (Numeric), etc. You can't create a NSDictionary like
> {a:b}. Operators and other syntax is extremely important, more so
> than a forced message passing syntax. If you want message passing
> syntax just use keyword arguments all over the place: [...]
That's quite a few things I already wanted to list in my upcoming
article. ;-)
Drew McCormack:
> Where I prefer Obj-C/Cocoa:
> Possibility of static typing (makes large programs more readable, and
> catches a few bugs at compile time)
> Design of libraries. Cocoa is beautifully designed and stable. I have
> the feeling python's libs have evolved in a less stable way. With each
> new release of python, things get replaced, indicating they weren't
> that well done the first time round.
Unfortunately, this is true, especially of the standard library.
It lacks a huge amount of consistency, which Cocoa, being an in-
house year-long development, definitly has - sigh! And sadly, as
you would expect in an Open Source project, nobody seems to care
about that, at least not enough to make a difference...
Dinu
--
Dinu C. Gherman
......................................................................
"The whole point of brainwashing, is that those being brainwashed
don't know it." (Graham Haley)
RetroSearch is an open source project built by @garambo | Open a GitHub Issue
Search and Browse the WWW like it's 1997 | Search results from DuckDuckGo
HTML:
3.2
| Encoding:
UTF-8
| Version:
0.7.4