The right way forward for hygienic macros seems to me to be to do a proof of concept implementation on top of standard Python so we can play with it and find if there is anything that really needs it. If there are no strong examples of benefits then the 'avoid extra rope' opinion will win. This looks analogous to the ability to muck with Python's object/class model which could have, but hasn't, resulted in unreadably weird code. do .. until is IMHO insufficiently better to justify hygienic macros. Neil
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