deadmeat wrote: > > > Reset your brain. > > Anyone who thinks a programmer can do this is quite insane. I've been > programming since I was 7 or 8, and did advanced mathematics throughout > highschool. Forgetting such basic principles is not possible, esp. not with > the given documentation which gives nothing to fill that void until later. This thread could have gone better but let's see if we can retrieve something useful from it. In my experience, deadmeat is totally right that reference semantics are one of the hardest things to learn in Python. In fact, they are one of the hardest things to learn in any language. Whenever I learn a new language I go directly to learn its reference/parameter semantics because I'm not going to really understand the language until I understand those. That said, it is somewhat of a problem that the tutorial says so little about it. It also starts talking about it pretty late. There should probably be a full chapter on it. Deadmeat: you could take all of the energy that you've used posting to this thread to write a tutorial chapter based on the content in this thread and Fredrik's excellent summary of the issues here: http://w1.132.telia.com/~u13208596/guides/python-objects.htm -- Take a recipe. Leave a recipe. Python Cookbook! http://www.ActiveState.com/pythoncookbook
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