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<div dir="ltr">I"d like ot know what thee citations are expected to be used for?<div><br></div><div>i.e. -- usually, academic papers have a collection of citiations to acknowledge where you got an idea, or fact, or .... It serves both to jusstify something and make it clear that it is not your own idea (i.e. not pagerism).</div><div><br></div><div>in the enclosed doc, it says:</div><div><br></div><div>"""</div><div><b style="font-weight:normal" id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-476ef2c8-7fff-ac9e-b5ac-de6f39445db1"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">If someone publishes research, they will cite the exact major version that was used, so if someone was trying to recreate the research they would be able to do it.</span></b><br></div><div><b style="font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">"""</span></b></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style="font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap">That is about </span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">reproducible</span></font><font face="Arial" style="font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"> results, which is really a different thing than the usual citations. In that case, you would want some way to identify the actual source code (cPython version 3.6.4, and probably a url to the source -- but how long might that last???) And you would need to post your own source anyway.</span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style="font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style=""><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap">Again, regular citation is about </span><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">acknowledging</span><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"> the source of an idea or fact, or </span><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap">something</span><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"> of that nature. I can imagine a paper about computer language design or some such might need to reference Python -- in which case it should reference the Language Reference, I suppose. Maybe we should have a DOI for each version of the standard docs.</span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style=""><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style=""><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap">But "I wrote some code in Python to produce these statistics" -- does that need a citation? If so, maybe that would take a different form.</span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style=""><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style=""><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap">Anyway, hard to make this decision without some idea how the citation is intended to be used.</span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style=""><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style=""><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap">-CHB</span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style=""><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style=""><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style="font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline"><font face="Arial" style="font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Gerald Klix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:python.00@klix.ch" target="_blank">python.00@klix.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Wouldn't it make sense to ask the developers of the other Python implementations too?<br>
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Just my 0.02â¬,<br>
<br>
<br>
Gerald<span class=""><br>
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Am 09.09.2018 um 21:43 schrieb Jacqueline Kazil:<br>
</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
The PSF has received a few inquiries asking the question â âHow do I cite<br>
Python?âSo, I am reaching out to you all to figure this out.<br>
<br>
(For those that donât know my background, I have been in academia for a bit<br>
as a Ph.D student and have worked at the Library of Congress writing code<br></span>
to process Marc records <<a href="https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibl<wbr>iographic/</a>>, among<span class=""><br>
other things.)<br>
<br>
IMHO the citation for Python should be decided upon by the Python<br>
developers and should live somewhere on the site.<br>
<br>
Two questions to be answeredâ¦<br>
<br></span>
  1. What format should it take?<br>
  2. Where does it live on the site?<span class=""><br>
<br>
To help frame the first one, I quickly wrote this up â<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R0mo8EYVIPNkmNBImpcZTbk0e78T2oU71ioX5NvVTvY/edit#" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/docume<wbr>nt/d/1R0mo8EYVIPNkmNBImpcZTbk0<wbr>e78T2oU71ioX5NvVTvY/edit#</a><br>
<br>
tldr; Summary of possibilitiesâ¦<br>
<br></span>
  1. Article for one citation (1 DOI, generated by the publication)<br>
  2. No article (many DOIs â one for each major version through Zenodo<br>
  <<a href="https://zenodo.org/record/1404209" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://zenodo.org/record/140<wbr>4209</a>> (or similar service))<span class=""><br>
<br>
Discuss.<br>
<br>
-Jackie<br>
<br>
Jackie Kazil<br>
Board of Directors, PSF<br>
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