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<div dir="ltr">-1 from me too.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Mariatta Wijaya</div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Barry Warsaw <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:barry@python.org" target="_blank">barry@python.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Nov 28, 2017, at 15:31, Raymond Hettinger <<a href="mailto:raymond.hettinger@gmail.com">raymond.hettinger@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Put me down for a strong -1.  The proposal would occasionally save a few keystokes but comes at the expense of giving Python a more Perlish look and a more arcane feel.<br>
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</span>I am also -1.<br>
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> One of the things I like about Python is that I can walk non-programmers through the code and explain what it does. The examples in PEP 505 look like a step in the wrong direction. They don't "look like Python" and make me feel like I have to decrypt the code to figure-out what it does.<br>
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</span>I had occasional to speak with someone very involved in Rust development. They have a process roughly similar to our PEPs. One of the things he told me, which I found very interesting and have been mulling over for PEPs is, they require a section in their specification discussion how any new feature will be taught, both to new Rust programmers and experienced ones. I love the emphasis on teachability. Sometimes I really miss that when considering some of the PEPs and the features they introduce (look how hard it is to teach asynchronous programming).<br>
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Cheers,<br>
-Barry<br>
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