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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi Lukasz, I donât have plans on editing or promoting the PEP any further, unless there is renewed interest or somebody proposes a more Pythonic syntax. <div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">--<br>Mark E. Haase</span><br style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></div><div><br>On Nov 28, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Raymond Hettinger <<a href="mailto:raymond.hettinger@gmail.com">raymond.hettinger@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>I also cc python-dev to see if anybody here is strongly in favor or against this inclusion.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Put me down for a strong -1. The proposal would occasionally save a few keystokes but comes at the expense of giving Python a more Perlish look and a more arcane feel. </span><br><span></span><br><span>One of the things I like about Python is that I can walk non-programmers through the code and explain what it does. The examples in PEP 505 look like a step in the wrong direction. They don't "look like Python" and make me feel like I have to decrypt the code to figure-out what it does.</span><br><span></span><br><span> timeout ?? local_timeout ?? global_timeout</span><br><span> 'foo' in (None ?? ['foo', 'bar'])</span><br><span> requested_quantity ?? default_quantity * price</span><br><span> name?.strip()[4:].upper()</span><br><span> user?.first_name.upper()</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Raymond</span></div></blockquote></div></body></html>
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