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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Gregory: Thank you for your message. I really appreciate it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In my opinion the use of lto only compilation mode can be of benefit from two reasons at least:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Lto only can provide a platform for experimentations. Of course, it seems to be very application specific.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Lto compilation is faster than an entire pgo + lto mode. While pgo can take a lot of time, lto can provide significant optimizations,
as compared to baseline, at the cost of less compilation time. Of course, lto is time consuming. To the best of my knowledge, compiling with lto only is shorter than combining pgo and lto.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In this context, I will be more than happy to receive more feedback and opinions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Octavian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gregory P. Smith [mailto:greg@krypto.org]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 7, 2017 3:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Soldea, Octavian <octavian.soldea@intel.com>; Python-Dev@python.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Python-Dev] first post introduction and question regarding lto<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've personally never seen a situation where PGO is not desired yet some other fancier optimization such as LTO is. When do you encounter people wanting that? PGO always produces a 10-20% faster CPython interpreter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have no problem with patches enabling an LTO only build for anyone who wants one if they do not already exist. At the moment I'm not sure which LTO toolchains actually work properly. We removed it from inclusion in --enable-optimizations
because it was clearly broken in some common environments.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If LTO without PGO is useful, making it work is probably just a matter of making sure @LTOFLAGS@ show up on the non-PGO related
<a href="http://Makefile.pre.in">Makefile.pre.in</a> targets as well as updating the help text for --with-lto in
<a href="http://configure.ac">configure.ac</a>. [untested]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-gps<o:p></o:p></p>
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