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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 15:10, Dan Stromberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drsalists@gmail.com">drsalists@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Brian Curtin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brian.curtin@gmail.com" target="_blank">brian.curtin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">

<div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 14:41, Dan Stromberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drsalists@gmail.com" target="_blank">drsalists@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">

<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Brian Curtin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brian.curtin@gmail.com" target="_blank">brian.curtin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">

<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 14:12, Dan Stromberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drsalists@gmail.com" target="_blank">drsalists@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">

<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:25 AM, David Robinow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drobinow@gmail.com" target="_blank">drobinow@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">

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</div></div> Cygwin is not really a supported platform. </blockquote><div>... <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">[Ultimately somebody with an<br>

interest in cygwin will need to get active in python development. I've<br>

been meaning to do this but life gets in the way.]<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>I was bitten by the lack of Cygwin support in 3.2 as well.<br><br>IMO, <span>python-dev needs continuous integration on a build farm that includes representative platforms. Most of the machines in the farm could be virtualboxes.<br>

<br>I don't think the problem is so much that the right people haven't gotten involved, as that the currently-involved people don't know when they're breaking something for someone else due to the lack of continuous integration.</span></div>

</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div>We've had that for some time now: <a href="http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/" target="_blank">http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/</a></div></div></blockquote></div>

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<br>Good to know. Apologies for my incorrect assumption. Where do the e-mail notifications of build and/or test failures go?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>There might be an RSS feed or something, but I don't think there's any email notification. #python-dev on IRC receives live failure info. Other than that, you'd just have to look at one of the views of the fleet to see which build slaves are failing.</div>

</div></blockquote></div><div><br>Am I correct in assuming that "stable" buildbots are required to be reasonably functional before a release is tagged?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yep - all green is the goal.</div>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Shouldn't Cygwin be represented here? I don't see it in the list of builds.<br>

</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Probably, but it isn't represented because no one contributed a build slave for it. I know some of the other Windows build slave operators use Cygwin to some degree, but I'm not sure if anyone has looked into actually setting up a build slave for it.</div>

</div></blockquote></div><div><br>I see.<br> </div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Some shops have a policy that nothing gets merged into trunk unless it's passing critical automated tests... Would that work here?<br>

</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>We don't make much use of branching, but that would work if we did. If no one is actively contributing work on the Cygwin build then I don't see us holding up work in order to figure out any Cygwin-specific issues.</div>

</div></blockquote></div><div><br>I might suggest that doing so (using branching, keeping trunk stable) might be of benefit, especially with a DVCS.<br> </div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">

<div class="gmail_quote"><div>There are several issues on the bug tracker about cygwin build issues, but to my knowledge, none of them have included successful patches.</div>

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</blockquote></div></div><br>I think you'll find that most people using Cygwin would rather be working on some other OS, but are forced to use Windows for policy reasons. It's remains a rather significant need in many cases.<br>

</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I don't disagree with that, but if there's no one contributing Cygwin patches then it will probably just die off and we'll have situations like the current one where it doesn't build. A great majority of the contributing developers are on UNIX-based systems with no access to Windows. A small handful, myself included, are Windows users, but I don't think any of us use Cygwin (I don't).</div>

</div></blockquote></div><div><br>I see.<br><br>Is there a <a href="http://python.org" target="_blank">python.org</a> resource for setting up mailing lists - say, for a python-cygwin mailing list?<br></div></div></blockquote>

<div><br></div><div>You might want to suggest something like cygwin-sig as a mailing list. Check out <a href="http://www.python.org/community/sigs/guidelines/">http://www.python.org/community/sigs/guidelines/</a> for more info.</div>
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