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    On 12/20/2010 6:31 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
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        <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>Diffing is completely an implementation detail of how the failure 
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>messages are generated. The important thing is that failure messages 
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>make sense with respect to actual result and expected result.
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      <pre wrap="">Which, again, they don't. Let's see:

    self.assertEqual(actual, expected)


AssertionError: 'a\nb\nc\ne\n' != 'a\nb\nc\nd\n'
  a
  b
  c
- e
+ d

The diff shows "expected - actual", but it would be logical (in your own


logic) to display "actual - expected". The whole issue disappears if you
drop this idea of naming the arguments "actual" and "expected".
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    I'm not a unittest user, although I probably will become one, in
    time, when I learn enough to contribute to Python, instead of just
    find bugs in it from use.<br>
    <br>
    I don't much care what the parameters names are, although the terms
    actual and expected seem good for testing scenarios if properly
    used, but the above does not match what I would expect the behavior
    to be from a testing scenario: run the test, and tell me what
    changed from the expected results.<br>
    <br>
    If the expected result (not parameter) is d and the actual result
    (not parameter) is e, the diff should show<br>
    <br>
    Â  a<br>
    Â  b<br>
    Â  c<br>
    - d<br>
    + e<br>
    <br>
    Thinking-that-sometimes-a-novice's-expectations-are-relevant-to-such-discussions'ly
    yours,<br>
    Glenn<br>
    <br>
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