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Sat Jun 18 09:16:59 CEST 2005 · http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-June/054314.html

Nick Coghlan wrote:
> Guido van Rossum wrote:
> 
>>>Recommend accepting just the basic PEP which only targets simple,
>>>obvious cases.  The discussed extensions are unattractive and should be
>>>skipped.
>>
>>
>>-1. The "unary colon" looks unPythonic to me.
>>
> 
> 
> Step 1 would be to require parentheses around the whole thing (ala 
> generator expressions) to make it easier to see where the deferred 
> expression ends.
> 
> But all my use cases that I can think off the top of my head involve 
> 'sorted', where it wouldn't help at all because of the need for an 
> argument.
> 
> So I'd rather see a serious discussion regarding giving lambdas a more 
> Pythonic syntax in general, rather than one that only applied to the 
> 'no-argument' case [1]
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> [1] http://wiki.python.org/moin/AlternateLambdaSyntax
> The 'expression-before-args' version using just the 'from' keyword is 
> still my favourite.
> 

Maybe anonymus function closures should be pushed forward right now not 
only syntactically? Personally I could live with lambda or several
of the alternative syntaxes listed on the wiki page.

But asking for a favourite syntax I would skip the "def" keyword from 
your def-arrow syntax proposal and use:

    ((a, b, c) -> f(a) + o(b) - o(c))
    ((x) -> x * x)
    (() -> x)
    ((*a, **k) -> x.bar(*a, **k))
    ( ((x=x, a=a, k=k) -> x(*a, **k)) for x, a, k in funcs_and_args_list)

The arrow is a straightforward punctuation for function definitions. 
Reusing existing keywords for different semantics seems to me as a kind 
of inbreeding.

For pushing anymus functions forward I propose to enable explizit 
partial evaluation as a programming technique:

Example 1:

 >>> ((x,y) -> (x+1)*y**2)
((x,y) -> (x+1)*y**2)

 >>> ((x,y) -> (x+1)*y**2)(x=5)
((y) -> 6*y**2)

Example 2:

def f(x):
     return x**2

 >>> ((x,y) -> f(x)+f(y))(x=2)
((y) -> 4 + f(y))

Example 3:

 >>> ((f,x,y) -> f(x)+f(y))(f=((x)-> x**2), y=3)
((x) -> ((x)-> x**2))(x)+9)

The keyword style argument passing can be omitted in case of complete
evaluation where pattern matching on the argument tuple is applied.

Regards,
Kay

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