I think the log4j levels are sufficient. zLOG has more levels, but it's hard to figure out what to use them for :-). zLOG does have a nice feature for passing an exception info to a log call. I'd like to see this as a standard feature, e.g. logger.info("A normal exception occurred", exc_info=sys.exc_info()) The idea is the any of the log calls could also include a formatted traceback in the log. (I suppose this means that the Handlers need a pluggable way to format exceptions.) This is useful for all log levels. In a long running server, you may get exceptions that are unexpected but no so important that you're going to fail or bring the server down. What's the current status of this PEP? I like the general outline of stuff, but it feels a little fuzzy. That is, it seems to present a high-level description and a bunch of options. I'd like to see the concrete APIs for all of the objects. I'd also love to get at least a prototype implementation. It would be need to replace the zLOG in Zope3 with a new logging implementation that follows the PEP. Jeremy
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